Re: NHC competition

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:29 pm

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EagleDude wrote:I strongly believe that the AHA is doing the best that they can given the unprecidented amount of homebrewers wanting to participate ... it is probably all the BN's fault and now we have one more thing for other "clubs" to bitch at us about.

I agree and disagree with that statement. Did the AHA want this to happen, no they want things to go smooth and work. They do not want to lose membership, which I have heard from a few of my friends that they were considering dropping membership. I think this is because there are 3 distinct benefits of membership (obviously there are a few others, GABF member session, pub discounts, and a few others).

1) attandence of the NHC
2) participation in the NHC brewing competition.
3) the Zymergy magazine

This year, many people were not able to get into the NHC due to it selling out in about 12 hours (the hotel was booked up prior to the release of the conference), which is pretty bogus and defeats benefit number one. Now many people were not able to participate in the competition portion because of the website issues, which really removes benefit number two unless you can sit there by your computer all day and try to get in. Then there is benefit number 3 the magazine, I like it but lets face it, BYO and zymergy are fairly similar and for some strange reason seem to have similar articles in each set of issues.

Now, I am not arguring for or against the AHA, but I think they have come to a critical mass point where it is step up or go home, brewing has exploded as a hobby and they are going to have to grow with the hobby. There are several things they could do to prevent this.

They could move to bigger venues for the NHC conference portion and by bigger I don't mean 500 people, they need to move it to a location that can house 6000 conference go'ers. This would benefit the brewing community and them, as they would make more money on the event.

The competition portion, the can also do several things. They can have a seperate website for each judgeing site. But again, they are filling this up so fast that they need to move to a three tier judging system instead of a 2 tier judging system. So they need to double the amount of entries in the competition to something like 15,000 entries, say 15 sites with a 1000 per site or allocated differently, then have the beers move to a regional competition from there, then the winners move on to the NHC for the national competion. They would have to start earlier and it would take longer, but again, this is what they need to do to keep up with the hobby.

I know people here will disagree with me, and please note that I am just stating my opinion. I just hate to hear people I know talking about removing themselves from membership because of the lack of availability of their benefits. It really should be more of if you are interested in participating there is a spot for you, not sit by your computer hitting the refresh button so you have a chance of getting in. Again this is just my two cents here and nothing more. If AHA is reading, please just consider this the ramblings of a concerned member and someone who loves the hobby and the AHA.


The problem with finding a place to accommodate 6000 middle aged guys in shorts and sandals is daunting at best. While the AHA helps organize the conference, ultimately the bulk of the work falls to the local organizing committee, who also have real jobs. (BDawg can probably explain this better than me.) Right now they can barely find enough judges to work a two tier contest.

Odd that these comments come so soon after FilmLabRat's complaint and some other recent complaints about the BN. Both the BN and the AHA are growing fast and the growing pains are becoming apparent.
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Re: NHC competition

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:39 pm

Dirk McLargeHuge wrote:Right now they can barely find enough judges to work a two tier contest.


Given this, I've often wondered why there isn't a push for a three tiered contest. Why not have regional conferences in addition to the national conference? If the interest keeps growing at this rate, it will become feasible.
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Re: NHC competition

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:44 pm

siwelwerd wrote:
Dirk McLargeHuge wrote:Right now they can barely find enough judges to work a two tier contest.


Given this, I've often wondered why there isn't a push for a three tiered contest. Why not have regional conferences in addition to the national conference? If the interest keeps growing at this rate, it will become feasible.

Regional conferences or competitions? If there were regional conferences, why go to the National?
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Re: NHC competition

Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:58 pm

Dirk McLargeHuge wrote:If there were regional conferences, why go to the National?


The exact same reasons people go to NHC now? Presumably in this hypothetical it would remain the largest conference, with the most speakers, where you would meet homebrewers from the entire country. I mean, as is, some competitions already bring in a speaker and have quasi-local club nights, ramping this up a little bit more would make it a regional "conference".
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Re: NHC competition

Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:22 pm

How big and how many beers would need to be getting entered for there to be pushback from shipping companies? Minor concern, but could become something big at some point.
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Re: NHC competition

Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:31 pm

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EagleDude wrote:I am also sad to announce that after earning points (first round a least) for the BN over the last 2 years NHC and being able to be there in person for the Club of the Year awards, I now have a local club (Whiskey Row Brew Club, of which I am now President) that I will designate as my club for competitions.


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Re: NHC competition

Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:26 am

CRBrewHound wrote:Now, I am not arguring for or against the AHA, but I think they have come to a critical mass point where it is step up or go home, brewing has exploded as a hobby and they are going to have to grow with the hobby.


Just a side comment, I've been an AHA member for about 4 years now & have absolutely zero interest in competition brewing. They do a ton of other stuff besides NHC & Zymurgy that I find completely worth supporting. Most notably all the legal battles that have been going on in the past few years with Utah, Oklahoma, Washington, etc. & the role they've played in each. Just a thought with all the NHC craziness going on.
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Re: NHC competition

Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:47 am

The competition and conference growing pains are common now with most larger beer fest (didn't gang sell out Friday prior to public sales ommegang's Belgium comes to Cooperstown sells out of VIP tickets in about 15sec, Philly beer week events have lines around blocks, etc etc)

It is nice to see the hobby growing as it is, but we also have to be patient and cans stay cool, it is just beer. Adding more judging venues and increasing the conference size will require a lot of man power (a local comp that had about 900 entries just had enough judges with almost a quarter of the judges being provisional, apprise niece or novice)

Best thing is to relax and have a homebrew. There are a lot of beer gatherings and comps around the country. Support local and don't worry as much about the nationals, everyone will have an opportunity to expierence it some time.
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