diacetyl?

Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:39 pm

I brewed a honey kolsch (all grain kit from norther brewer) and I think I taste diacetyl... its a little creamy/buttery maybe. I did do a 90 minute boil. It fermented starting at 62 and I raised it to 64, finally letting it spend its last few days at 68 (wyeast 1056). I let it lager for 4 weeks. I tried it and it had the buttery/creamy taste. So I took out of the fridge and put it upstairs where it spent 5 days at 70 - 74 in hopes of cleaning it up. No luck, it still has that flavor.. not displeasing or rancid in anyway. Is this most likely diacetyl or could it be something else?
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Re: diacetyl?

Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:41 am

Hoont wrote:I brewed a honey kolsch (all grain kit from norther brewer) and I think I taste diacetyl... its a little creamy/buttery maybe. I did do a 90 minute boil. It fermented starting at 62 and I raised it to 64, finally letting it spend its last few days at 68 (wyeast 1056). I let it lager for 4 weeks. I tried it and it had the buttery/creamy taste. So I took out of the fridge and put it upstairs where it spent 5 days at 70 - 74 in hopes of cleaning it up. No luck, it still has that flavor.. not displeasing or rancid in anyway. Is this most likely diacetyl or could it be something else?



What about the aroma of the beer? Do you detect the same buttery note in the nose? If so, then it might be diacetyl. If you don't detect it in the nose then it could just be the way the malts you used are playing together along the american ale yeast.

Did you underpitch your wort? Did you aerate well? Usually a proper diacetyl rest is done in the high 60'sF (like you did), but allowed to happen before the yeast reach their terminal gravity and typically around the last third of the fermentation. The trick is to start the rest while the yeast are still fairly active so they can reabsorb the byproducts produced during fermentation (diacetyl, acetaldehyde, etc). Trying to perform a diacetyl rest after 4 wks of lagering is not going to help much as the yeast have been chilled to inactivity.
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Re: diacetyl?

Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:22 am

I don't detect butery-ness in the smell and it certainly doesn't taste horrible. I probably will try to enter it in a competition and get some judges feedback. I am very interested and knowing what diacetyl (and DMS) taste like so I can identify it.

I use JZ's yeast calculator for repitching yeast so I think the yeast was probably over pitched (I usually use a little more).

Aeration may be one of my issues... I do nothing special. After I get the cooled wort into the carboy, I shake it like crazy, pitch the yeast and then shake it like crazy some more. The fermentation didn't take off like crazy but it was active within 18 hours.

Thanks for the input and I think I'll get it in front of some good pallets and see what they say. Thanks again!
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