Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:52 am

Personally, I'd side with Whitey on the no need to wash yeast thing, and that's not just because we have the same last name. It just doesn't make sense in the short term to wash a yeast that you're going to use, what, maybe 3-4 times? If you keep most of the trub out in the first place, it's not an issue. It's only another step to invite unwanted organisms into the next beer. And the malty calculator has adjustments that can factor in up to 25% of non-yeast particulate.
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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:58 pm

There was an archive I listened too a while back that directly discounted the 1 billion cells per ml o wort per degree plato formula.... for ALES. The brewer said that the formula is correct for lagers, but that it is overpitching if you are giving more than 600 million cells per ML per Degree. Thought that was interesting... and I am not sure if the Mr. Malty Calc. adjusts for that or not....

just my 2¢.
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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:30 pm

It does - same volume, same gravity - basically twice the recommended number of cells for a lager vs an ale

Pseudolus - the pitching into a smaller amount and then pitching more wort on top later, is pretty much a direct reflection of commercial practise in breweries where they use very large fermentors that take multiple brews to fill up. At work when we are filling the BIG fermentors, it takes 5 full brews and 18 or so hours to fill a fermentor. When we are working from a newly cultured rather than a harvested yeast pitch... the pitch goes in with the first brew (a little warmer as a matter of fact) and the other brews go on top over the 16-18hrs.

Its just a big starter really

One of the trappist breweries (it might be orval??) spreads it out over nearly a week. With a brew per day for three days, a break, then a brew on the fifth day... or something like that

From a homebrew perspective - No-Chill is the perfect vehicle for this technique. If were to do it (and if I ever brew a 10G batch of lager I will) I would put my wort into two NC cubes, pitch one on day one with an appropriate starter for 5G.. then 12-18 rs later, before fermentation had started, pour the other NC cube in on top... plus extra oxygen. Or you could rapid chill the first and no-chill the second. A little less concern about sanitation and the pitching delay if you use no-chill.
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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:56 am

NC cube? Is that a fermentation vessel of some sort?

Edit - or NC is "no chill"?
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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:45 am

My best beers have been those that I pitched cold at jamils pitching rate. Of course I have been fine tuning other parts of my process that might account for better beer also.
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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:11 am

Pseudolus. wrote:NC cube? Is that a fermentation vessel of some sort?

Edit - or NC is "no chill"?


Yeah, NC = No-Chill. Sorry, I forgot that the term isn't as common here as it is on the Aussie forum I frequent.

Appologies for my regional dialect :P

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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:17 am

In my experience, I've never needed to do any yeast washing. That said, I do have a conical, which makes it very easy for me to dump the trub and crappy yeast that settles out first. After a few ounces, the yeast run-off turns super creamy, which is the good stuff. I never have trouble getting enough for repitches.
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Re: Controversial revelations from Chris White?

Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:31 pm

SacoDeToro wrote:In my experience, I've never needed to do any yeast washing. That said, I do have a conical, which makes it very easy for me to dump the trub and crappy yeast that settles out first. After a few ounces, the yeast run-off turns super creamy, which is the good stuff. I never have trouble getting enough for repitches.


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