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Barrels and coopering

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Barrels and coopering

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:57 am
by aleguy
Regardless of whether a brewer makes his/her own firkins, hogsheads, barrels, etc. there is still a need for that person to maintain and repair them properly. Having searched high and low (OK so my google fu isn't really up to par) I have been unable to find a decent how-to book on the subject.
Does anyone out there know of a good how-to book on hand coopering?

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:57 pm
by Chupa LaHomebrew
I don't know how to answer your direct question, but I don't know of any breweries that use barrels that actually would take the time to rebuild a barrel. The barrels are used, so they would just chuck them if they couldn't patch up a tiny leak. The only breweries I know of that maintain their wood are the ones that use foeders.

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:09 am
by aleguy
I am a home brewer, not a commercial brewer. I would maintain and repair barrels if I were a commercial brewer, because they get better as they get older, and are useful for different styles depending on their age. I don't know anyone who would "chuck' a barrel because it needed repair. A good barrel can last for more than a century, and new ones are incredibly expensive. Only the bourbon and wine industries dispose of barrels prematurely. Most single malt producers do maintain and repair barrels. Some even commission specialty barrels from woods other than oak. Wet coopering is far from dead. I was just hoping someone on this forum had an answer for me, though I quit reading it for a couple of years because I wasn't getting any answers and found the members of my LHBC to be more knowledgeable.
Still, this forum reaches a broader audience, and I was hoping someone might know of an obscure volume from some university press or something.

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:17 am
by Inodoro Pereyra
After googling "coopering" (I didn't have a clue what it was) I found this video. Not a lot of information, but still interesting to watch, IMO.

http://youtu.be/WMDKlblsPco

Hope it helps. :jnj

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:27 pm
by edisonst

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:53 am
by aleguy
I purchased the first and was disappointed. It went into great detail about the different tools used, but said very little about how to actually put a cask together. The others I was also aware of, and none of them seem quite what I'm looking for either. I'm interested in hand coopering, not machine coopering. (I can't afford to buy barrels much less machine tools.) I doo have access toa plentiful supply of white oak suitable for small casks such as firkins. (I'm actually thinking a 10 1/2 gallon cask that will shrink with use to near 10 gallons as opposed to the traditional 9 1/2 gallon firkin.)
It's always a frustrating experience when you try to relearn a trade or skill that is essentially extinct. So much traditional knowledge has just disappeared over the last hundred years or so. It's difficult getting enough information to keep some of it alive.

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:52 pm
by Inodoro Pereyra
I'm by no means a professional carpenter, but, judging by the video, it shouldn't be that hard of a craft to master.
You do have to know how to use those Japanese style hand planes, but given enough practice (and enough messed up wood :wink: ), you should be able to get it fairly fast.

Or you could always go to school...http://www.tillersinternational.org/woodworking/classes_448_cooperingbarrels.html :jnj

Re: Barrels and coopering

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:06 am
by Chupa LaHomebrew
Aleguy, I'm not trying to discourage you from rebuilding a barrel if you want to. Go for it. I was just pointing out that most breweries wouldn't rebuild a barrel. They would buy another used one for $40-$50. I would be interested to find out though, if you know of any breweries that do this.

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