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Lager Lag?

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Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:23 am
by BigNastyBrew
Ok, so going against the advice of Mylo to go ahead and pitch very warm (I was at 80° I believe), I waited until I got my lager down to 50° before pitching. That was yesterday morning and there is no action.

I pitched from a starter but I don't know the strain.

Do lagers normally lag more than ales?

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:43 am
by Mylo
Fo' sho'

BTW, my Schwarz got a little warm by the time I got it home the next day. I'm still fighting to get it down and fermentation started... :(


Mylo

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:06 am
by BigNastyBrew
Damn! Well, hopefully she kicks off soon. For both of us. If I have nothing by tomorrow morning, I'm buying 4 vials of German Lager to dump in.

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:39 am
by MattSF
remember a point JZ made...since the beer is on the cold side, it can hold more CO2 than it would at room temperature. So in theory, it takes longer for the CO2 to supersaturate and start forming bubbles and kraeusen. I recently pitched WLP800 from a nice starter into a wort at about 46F and yeah it took a few days to start showing signs of activity. That was even with splashing and a minute of O2 via airstone.

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:41 am
by BigNastyBrew
MattSF wrote:remember a point JZ made...since the beer is on the cold side, it can hold more CO2 than it would at room temperature. So in theory, it takes longer for the CO2 to supersaturate and start forming bubbles and kraeusen. I recently pitched WLP800 from a nice starter into a wort at about 46F and yeah it took a few days to start showing signs of activity. That was even with splashing and a minute of O2 via airstone.


GREAT point. Thank you. I am a beer worry wort.

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:48 am
by MattSF
BigNastyBrew wrote:I am a beer worry wort.


FIRED!

:P

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:21 pm
by SacoDeToro
WLP830 is my primary lager yeast. I pitch and ferment @ 50 deg F. If it's a first generation pitch from a starter, I usually have a lag time of about 12-18 hours. If it's a repitch, I've seen that yeast fire off in as little as 6-8 hours. Still 24-36 hours probably wouldn't worry me too much with a first gen pitch into a lager.

Re: Lager Lag?

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:11 pm
by brewinhard
+1 with what Saco said.

Lager fermentations take time and patience. Especially from the git go with initial pitching into primary. I have had some (albeit with crappy dry yeast) take 30-48 hrs. to start at 50 degrees. Liquid yeast is faster around 20-28 hrs. No worry, they always come out drinkable and delicious!

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