Re: Dried out airlock

Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:43 pm

But what about the relative weights of the two gases in question? I read up on Dalton's law after the post. The example given is the hydrogen generation experiment with the inverted test tube in the water bath. Initially all the gas would be hydrogen - but then because the water is evaporating (inside and outside the tube - even at the same 1 atmosphere of pressure) then eventually it would reach equilibrium, and the gas in the tube would contain some water vapor as well as the hydrogen - BUT - in the tube itself - wouldn't the water vapor be stratified on the bottom?

In our practical example - yes, the pressure of the CO2 blanket and the air would be the same - but due to the geometry of the blow off tube in the carboy - the heavier CO2 would be trapped in the carboy. Assuming minimal agitation and thermal expansion - the CO2 wouldn't "fall out" of the tube and be displaced by the air. Even if a cycle of thermal expansion and contraction happened, and the headspace did contain a small amount of air - where would it be? Would it equally disperse throughout the volume? or would it float towards the top?

If I'm just a window licker - then so be it - but I can't see all of the CO2 dissipating - especially in the relatively short amount of time that imacoming was on vacation. Where's my helmet?!?!


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Re: Dried out airlock

Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:36 pm

Even if you had already clarified the wine I wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: Dried out airlock

Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:56 pm

Mylo wrote:But what about the relative weights of the two gases in question? I read up on Dalton's law after the post. The example given is the hydrogen generation experiment with the inverted test tube in the water bath. Initially all the gas would be hydrogen - but then because the water is evaporating (inside and outside the tube - even at the same 1 atmosphere of pressure) then eventually it would reach equilibrium, and the gas in the tube would contain some water vapor as well as the hydrogen - BUT - in the tube itself - wouldn't the water vapor be stratified on the bottom?

In our practical example - yes, the pressure of the CO2 blanket and the air would be the same - but due to the geometry of the blow off tube in the carboy - the heavier CO2 would be trapped in the carboy. Assuming minimal agitation and thermal expansion - the CO2 wouldn't "fall out" of the tube and be displaced by the air. Even if a cycle of thermal expansion and contraction happened, and the headspace did contain a small amount of air - where would it be? Would it equally disperse throughout the volume? or would it float towards the top?

If I'm just a window licker - then so be it - but I can't see all of the CO2 dissipating - especially in the relatively short amount of time that imacoming was on vacation. Where's my helmet?!?!


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The thing is that Dalton's Law means that given a stable system (of low to moderate pressure) there will be no gas stratification because all of the gases will act independent of one another. That is, gases will act like gases and not liquids. I'm just not sure if airlock geometry has any effect on this, but I'm inclined to say no. It's similar to how you can't actually purge a keg of O2 by using only CO2 -- you have to use a liquid to completely displace the O2. But I've got no idea about how quickly this sort of gas exchange and oxidation would occur in the OP's setup. Best of luck to him, though. I vaguely remember having an airlock dry out on me years ago but I was prone to drinking my beer as quick as possible back then.
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Re: Dried out airlock

Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:40 am

Wow, all of this chemistry theory on the thread and last night I forgot to test out the brews.....ha.
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Re: Dried out airlock

Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:58 pm

Well, it turned out that the last bits of the water that was in the airlock (bucket) was drawn into the tubes. That caused a perfect pressure balance, complete airlock, and no contamination. The wine still has to be bottled but the Belgain wit is great! It is a 8.6%ABV wit.
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Re: Dried out airlock

Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:07 pm

that wit sounds right up my alley. i took jz's recipe and just added 50% more of everything, it turned out fricken awesome...deadly but awesome! congrats on the silent killer!
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Re: Dried out airlock

Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:06 pm

this was JZ recipe too. I did increase the amount of citrus as suggested by Doc.
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